In a recent interview, Liza Rios, widow of Big Pun, sits down and vents on how her family's financial situation has diminished since the legend's passing. It's been 8 years since the death of Big Pun. Liza Rios wants the world to know that his family is not living as well as everyone may think. "People really think that I have a couple of millions and a couple of furs and cars [but] that's not the truth. The truth is that after Pun hit platinum he started asking where his royalties were. He asked [Fat Joe] in my living room several times, "Where are my royalties?" He already went two times platinum and [was] working on Yeeeah Baby and asking about his checks. The answer was always that it was recouped. Pun let it slide by and just trusted that things would be good. I know he always trusted the fact that if he passed away, his family was going to be good. We even argued about that. He swore, "You're TS, I'm TS!" He punched his chest and said "I'm TS." And I was upset because I didn't trust that-meaning trusting another man to make sure that I'm good."
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So how did all this happen? She goes on to explain that Fat Joe was made to be administrative of Pun's estate. Doing so meant that all the money coming in would go to Joe first and then he would break off a piece for Pun. "Now that Pun's not here, he's supposed to be breaking me off, but he's not. He'll say it hasn't been recouped but if you figure over two million [records sold], c'mon, he's been recouped. I asked to transfer Capital Punishment's and Yeeeah Baby's rights to Pun's estate. The response I got [from the lawyers] was that only Joe could do that. So who's getting the checks then? And even still I've tried to reach Joe, but it never works out. I don't get an answer or anything. I don't hate him. With the times we shared I know we were genuine whether Joe was or not. And I know if it was Joe who passed, best believe that his two kids would've been in my house. I would've taken care of his kids, Pun would've looked after the family, his mom, all of that. Even if Joe doesn't like me, it's about Pun's kids more than anything else."
No word yet on any comment/feedback from Fat Joe, but Def Sounds will keep you updated as soon as a response is available.
COMMENTS
fat joe is a bullshitter, he fuk'd around wid terra squad 2, r.i.p. pun
co-sign I hope his elephant album goes no where, fat bald bitch playin politics with a dead mans family.
fuck fat joe
puns fam is more important than his 10,000 fucking nike's hes got... fucking fat pig i hate him more than any other rapper out... and he sucks at rappin too
I lost wat little respect I had for Fat Hoe oops i mean Fat sloppy Joe
DAMN I JUST READ THIS, FUCK JOE, HE A HO ASS NIGGA, HE DID THA SAME SHIT WIT CUBAN LINK, FUCK EM, BIG PUN 4EVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dats fuck up
joe would be nothing without pun
pun set the table for latino hiphop artist
joe really losing respect
Wut Respect He Losin, HE AIN'T GOT NONE!!!!!!
That Fat Sloppy Poor Excuse Of A Loyal Nigga Iz Lame. Fucc Joe. How U Gon Do That To Ya Manz Kidz. I'm Pretty Convinced He Did Find Puns Rhyme Books And Then Some MuthaFucca!!!! I Can't Stand Unloyal Az Niggaz. I Remember This Nigga Was Wearin Old Azz Jean Suits Now He Wanna Try To Get Aggy Off Of Punz Cake. Lame. Niggaz Oughta Cut His Azz But If That Happens His Azz Migh Slurp Up Tha Blood From A Straw Too. SCREAM AT ME 1.
Yea Man She Better Come Up On A Couple Mill ASAP Or This Dude Gon Even Be Denied By His Own People...If Not Already
Couldn't have said it better...
cosign.....4sho
Speaking of puns ryme book I heard theres been a recent thing with his homie Cuban Link link said joe hasnt written a rhyme in ten years,and he been close to him he would kno..And as far as this shyt about him not helping out the man family, all I can say is I hope its not true,thas some lo shyt.
If you cant see a muthaf***a face to face its out of site out of mind....
Joe ballin Pun kid's living rough...
Look at the n**** you call brother and wonder would this n**** do this if i was gone ??? But more importantly look at yourself and ask if you would take care your homeboy people... i know some of yall cant cause you broke but do what you can...
So R U Agreein Wit Joe Or R U Sayin Thats Messed Up?
Im saying if its true thats f***ed up...
But since i dont know the truth i'm going to let it play out before i past judgement...
I just made a general statement...
face to face, out of sight out of mind, no court no case
everytime i hear something about fat joe it is something bad...ghostwriting affairs and so on ...is he really that gay?
Si
Shit is crazy, 8 years & she ain’t seen no Royalty check yet? Damn Joe is a dirty Nigga. At least Puff breaks you off crumbs. On real if you do your research right a royalty check is enough for a regular fam to live on, Look at Britney Spears Crazy ass, she ain’t done shit in how long? But the Bitch still getting crazy gwap from her Royalty checks, she sold 14 mill of her 1st album alone that alone will set her up for life (unless she blow it on Coke & booze) now Pun Went Platinum more then once on both of his albums, so theoretically she should be getting a good check at least every 6 month….Sad, last year didn’t she sell Pun’s TS chain on e-bay b/c she needed gwap? Man Joe is a fuck boy, he saying how rich he got since the beef with 50, but he can’t take care of his Boy’s fam or Pay his Damn Taxes
I'm not 100% on this, but aren't all artists supposed to see minimum 16% of all profits from album sales? I'll do the research when I get a second to breathe (fucking midterms...) but yeah do the math 3mil+ albums sold X .16 = 480K she should have seen by now.
Music Royalties is more then just CD's Homie here is what it comes down to (roughly)...
1) mechanical royalties from the recording of composed music on, CDs and tape
(2) performance royalties from the performance of the compositions/songs on stage or television through artists and bands
(3) synch (for synchronization) royalties from using or adapting the musical score in the movies, television advertisements, etc. and
(4) royalties from 'print rights'
With the advent of the internet, an additional set of royalties has come into play : the digital rights from simulcasting, webcasting, streaming, downloading, and online "on-demand service".
In the following the terms 'composer' and 'songwriter' (either lyric or score) are synonymous.
wow at the end of the day tho most people are fucked up but hes an asshole always sayin puns name in a song I bet that makes puns wife sick
Who's still a Fat Joe fan now? Anyone?
LMAOO
Finally somebody tells how money come between so called family. Joe is a wanksta ass nigga. How could you not break off Puns family and let them go through struggles? Shit is real corny Joe. 50 is gonna have field day with this one.
this is some strait up bull shit. Fat Hoe needs to break off some bread and not cuz it's the right thing for him to do morally but because that is Pun's fucking money, not Fat Hoe's. Fat Hoe has got enough scrilla. i would strait up take this mother fucker to court. best believe i would get my cake 1 way or the other.
Damn Joe...that's wrong on ALL levels. You are spending that man's hard earned money tryin' to floss and keep with the likes of a megaartist like 50 (which will NEVER happen simply b/c that man's 1st album sold more records than your career accumlatively) FEED HIS WIFE AND KIDS NIGGA!!! Loyalty doesn't end with death! It's EVERLASTING!!! Be a real nigga and do what's right....
yea that nigga joe grimey liza still here in the BX in the hood in a buildig just like the rest of us she shoulda been taken of by now fat joe that nigga do his people dirty for real still screamin TS that shit is a joke we don't believe you you need more people who woulda thought this is how it would be from what it used to be damn i remember when crack used to really spit haha yea that shit is over that niggas a clown
I lost respect for Fat Joe a long time ago. He rides trends, he can't rap, and he snubbed his right hand man's family out of royalties. A REAL man would check on Pun's family and see how they were doing. Its not like he's broke. Look at the situations, Cuban Link leaves, the rest of the squad ain't doing squat, Remy Ma leaves. Fat Joe needs to give Pun's wife some money because if not for her, for the kids.
oh yea decanse en la pez BIG PUN uno del mejor que jamas lo hizo
FUCK FAT JOE PERIOD
Yeeeeaaah, Fat Joe just lost any respect I may have had for him from his past... Fuck that fat cow...
Fucked up situation for his wife...this is just another reason for me not to like fuckboy joe.
Fat Joe is beyond ruthless, ive never been a fan but this is as low as sum1 can get,
Didn't Pun's wife make a documentary of how abusive Pun was. If I was Joe I wouldn't give her shit.
You damn right, I Lost true respect for him after seeing that and Liza rios is still a bitch, she stayed with that wifebeater and did nothing.
Makes me sick.
well even if she did, the kids shood still get money from their fathers bussiness
So you are calling Pun's wife a bitch for making an honest documentary about him, in which there's a video showing him pistol whipping her in the face?
Firstly, she said in an interview that she had the documentary made because she was poor, and had not received any royalties from Pun's Endangered Species album, which was made by Fat Joe supposedly to provide her with some money after Pun's death. So she made the documentary out of financial desperation; and note, how Fat Joe was already holding back royalties back when the documentary was made, which I believe was in 2001.
Secondly, she should be admired for making an honest documentary about things which would be painful for her; there's no honour in being a beaten wife. Yet she gave us an insight into Pun we would not otherwise have.
Thirdly, since she was the wife of Big Pun, legally, and I would also say, morally, the money is hers as well as his, and not forgetting his children's. Since she took care of his children, took care of his home life, and presumably gave him the moral and emotional support that a wife gives to a husband, she was also a hard working member of the family unit which allowed Pun to make his money.
Lastly, yes, she stayed with him when he was a wife beater, but why hate her for that? Why blame the victim? Yes, she didn't leave him but for a number of obvious reasons; firstly, she probably loved him, since they had known each other and been close since they were quite young (and yes, you can feel love for somebody and hate them at the same time); secondly, she would have had to consider the welfare of their children, and probably wouldn't want to break up the family for that reason; and thirdly, she said in the documentary herself that Pun would never have left her leave, and she was obviously terrified that if she left him he would try to kill her.
I consider Big Pun one of the greatest rappers ever but he obviously was far from a perfect person, although I would say that most people have both good and bad in them. However, I would hope that you would think more about the life his wife has had, and the different reasons she had for what she did.
Hold on cowboys. We did not hear Fat Joe's side. If she is telling the truth then that is fucked up BUT she was sleeping with Cuban Link after Pun died. Ask that nigga Cuban for some doe. He can lay with you but not give up some bread. Fat Joe is looking at her like you disrespectful bitch. Now Joe might be breaking them off with cash because I don't think he can be that heartless but she is probably fucking with cuban Link and he is probably putting shit in her head to dishonor Fat Joe name. Firt we read an article on Cuban Link and now on Big Puns wife. Mmmmm. Now alot of niggas might not now that Fat Joe got that nigga Cuban Link jumped for fucking with Big Puns wife and she is not going to tell you all that part, but she will say that "Even if Joe doesn't like me". Yea why don't he like you Ass. Trifling Ass....
You're right on the money here...I don't like fat joe as an artist and i don't know his dealings nor his business behavior, but based on the historical fact you cite, she's buggin' to ask for even a dime...now the other side of this is that PUN's children are involved. While Joe didn't like Cuban's actions...he's not her husband...Maybe Joe's holding the funds until PUNs children are of age...that would be best in my opinion...but who knows...Either way you cut this...Joe might be right in just ignoring her...so long as PUNs children are looked after in one way or the other...especially if he earned it.
^^^ U On Point Wit It Too. SCREAM AT ME 1
i feel everything u sayin....
but that shit is still fucked up either way it goes...she is a female juss cuz she was with pun dont mean she cant have no other nigga after that, she got to move on....and for fat joe to take that out on here and the kids is fucked up....he should take it out all on cuban...and thats not his money to hold on to it like that any wayz, thats pun...and ther for it should go to his family.....
thats the way i look at it
still though, Pun's kids need their's
Damn DREW....I don't know how true all that shit is you said, but I know its DEFINATELY something to consider...
I was JUST about to jump on the "FUCK FAT JOE FAT ASS BANDWAGON...But listening to you is making me think...hmmm
I don't know the WHOLE story, matter fact I don't know ANY of the story, but that CUBAN LINK bullshit is DEFINATELY something to look into....If this is the case, she shouldn't be letting LINK munipulate her like that...TRIFLING ASS>>>LOL
That bitch is the latino courtney love combined with tina turner, at least turner is a mature woman now, those two are not.
Pun's immediate family should never need anything. Fat Joe is disgusting, now we know the reall elephant in the room. Its not eneough you stole Pun' rhyme book but now you stealling his money too. You gonna pay whether its now or in the next life. Fat Joe you rat bastard
TFU joe need to give that lady her but i dont take sides u know how tiers two sides to every story but still if its true i lost what lil respect i had for em she need to take that to court b4 joe spends it all on big macs & whoppers.
Drew O.G. gotta point. Its too much of a coincidence dat both Cuban Link story and dis story come out. Dat is messed if true, if Joe did mess around wit Pun's money, but I don't blame him for feelin disrespected about her and Cuban Link. I wanna hear Joe side before I get on him. But if Joe got Pun's money, he gotta give it up...its only right for his kids. Learn it.
ReDef.
"i guess the pen more quicker than the trigger..don't be signing them contracts without reading nigga..cause the industry is like the dope game..always business never personal man"
Ain't this the story of every rapper who signed or worked with a homeboy...from eazy and dr. to biggie and puff to ice cube and the lynch mob to rza and wu
"friends is friends, but this is business"
well if she was fuckin cuban link w.e. his name is then thats fucked up but thats still her money regardless because she was married to him well she should of seen this coming and if she fucked him then she is dumbbb cause that just makes her days of seeing money dead
money change people o well
Damn Shame
And EVERYONE GOTTA REALIZE HOW CONVENIENT THE TIMING OF ALL THESE ARTICLES ARE...
LIKE THEY STATED ABOVE ME, FIRST THE CUBAN LINK ARTICLE, NOW THIS.....
all RIGHT before JOE'S "Elephant in the Room" drops...HMMM???
Either BOTH articles are TRUE...(I don't beleive, at least not 100% True) or CUBAN is trying to throw MAD salt in JOE's Game RIGHT before his ALBUM DROPS????
Something to consider...
Crabs in a bucket.
i cosign drew she grimy for fuckin wit cuban i need 2 hear fat joe side of the story before i shit on his character tho cus he been mum about the whole thing for awhile now but maybe shit will finally surface
this dude birdman is a real ni66a, cuz i was on that fucc joe ish too but this dude made me think, America needs more level headed ppl. Keep doing your thing my nig... O it's still fucc Joe though
And This Nigga Got the Nerve to make an album called "LOYALTY" this shit is more like "jealous ones Envy" feel me?
Man Jealous Ones Still ENVY...JOSE...
I miss those days...
For people who wanna hear some REAL FAT JOE BRONX shit...
GO GET THAT!!!!
skeazaleo right im from da BRONX nd dat jose album was crack but i think da story is true cuz if u go on da cross bronx its a pic or paintin of fat joe all or nothin album cover nd i saw wen dey was doin it ... it used 2 be big pun up der .. so i think dat hes sayin fuck pun nd datz FUCKED UP IN EYES
SMELL ME !!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn... even if the two got down in the bedroom, the money still goes to the wife man.
Fat Joe on Rap City: "Since I've been beefin' w/ 50, I've gotten so much richer!"
Yea, off of Pun's money b/c this nigga is only sellin Singles/features on Singles, Not ALBUMS!
Fuck dat Fat Hoe.... nd whoever said that shit bout Cuban with Liza y'all niggas is wrong... The reason y Fat Hoe had Cuban cut was becuz Cuban supposedly fucked Fat hoes wife...Get da facts right...dat nigga Cuban would never do dat shit to Pun...Cuban da onli Nigga that spits for Pun still... He da onli one that always b puttin out tributes to Pun on every album...Y'all niggas don't kno shit....Fuck dat Fat Nigga 4 not lookin after Pun's family....If it weren't for Pun, Joe would b in da BX sittin in da Projects, eatin ho ho's and ding dongs.... I hate 50 but I hope dat nigga end da Fat Niggas career
you know this is a really sad situation....I'll say prayers for Pun's family. I wanna say i dont believe it, but it sounds legit. Im not a fan of Fat Joe the slightest of bits, but i would never do that shit to my boy's family.
It's probably legit. Because my man knows these fools. And the fact is, for all you youngins. In reallife handle your business. i.e. I doing shiz without your contract, etc. Don't be fooled by some nigga fooling you, do it like it's supposed to be done. SHOW ME THE MONEY OR DON'T DO THE WORK.
Plus I don't fuk with FAT JOE punk a$$ anyway. He just a Pun wanna be, even back then. Fake fat wanksta
Plus I don't fuk with FAT JOE punk a$$ anyway. He just a Pun wanna be, even back then. Fake fat wanksta
Plus I don't fuk with FAT JOE punk a$$ anyway. He just a Pun wanna be, even back then. Fake fat wanksta
I dont know if you guys agree...but this kinda reminds me of the Baby cash money thing when they accused Baby of keeping alot juve's, turk...and B.G.s money...its grimey...greed is a terrible thing..make you turn on your own people...
You can tell Fat Joe only thinks about his pocket. TS is dead, Fat Joe is a south florida rapper now. Nobody except Remy made noise from TS camp. Joe having all this Features on his album but he don't bless his camp. Lil wayne is making bread off him,rick ross, dj khaled, J-holida, R.kelly Why he didn't put Tony Sunshine instead of J-holiday. Big Pun should of handled his business when he was around.
Yo thats fuked up on so many levels like I really see why cuban links aint fukin wit dude. He really deserves what ever fuked up shit that happens to him forreal. Plus how Pun Post to be ya man and you miss him but you fuk dude over like that. LIKE THATS SOME REAL DISLOYAL SHIT. I actually hope some really fuked up happen to dude bc no matta what yo never fuk over the niggas who helped you eat specially when your career wasn't shit until he helped you out.
Ok...
Cuban link Slept with puns wife...
that was wrong....but..why take it out on the whole FAM??
FAT JOE should be giving her money for the kids sake, the kids dont have nuthing to do with it.
So either way fat joe is wrong. Spending money on grillz and chains when he could be feeding people.
that aint right i dont care what no one says. He claims pun was his brother but he treating there family like they aint nun to them..
common joe! GIVE PUNS WIFE MONEY FOR THE KIDS SAKE!...
THEY DONT DESERVE THIS..
and how do u know puns wife didnt come on to cuban link??
u never know the whole story, but chea i dont like joe for this..
i never been a fan of his music. hes just another rapper.
Where are all the real artist and loyal supposely " street niccaz " in the game?? Get at me..
Ay datz some real hoe shit 2 do..Pun pose 2 be his nigga n Joe takn cake out Pun's wife pocketz...shit's foul if it's tru...
if it's tru he needs to set it straight cuz if he dont he's gon bsorry when it comes bacc on him
DAMN JOE IS A SHADY MOTHERFUCKER HE DOING ALL THIS STUNTING AND SHIT BUT HE CANT HELP HIS MANS FAMILY OUT HE CHEATING NIGGAZ OUT OF MONEY AND SOME MORE SHIT THATS CRAZY IF IT WASNT FOR PUN AND FAT JOE GHOSTWRITERS JOE WOULDNT EVEN BE SHIT HE STILL SHIT AINT FUCKING RINGTONE RAPPER
Cuban did not sleep wit Pun's wife he slept wit Joe's wife...dats fact
that's messed up. If it wasnt' for Pun, Fat Joe would be an unknown
FAT JOE IS A BITCH. WHY ARE PEOPLE JUST REALIZING?
I think everyone here will agree that Fatjoe is the has-been that never was...in other words homie was wack before he even started. He got a little fame thru PUN and at PUN's expense and this is the part that really sucks...FatJoe has never really accomplished anything of significance. He's not an icon in anyone's eyes. Furthermore, dude is trying to make a comeback by dissing 50, having interviews on the matter, biting lines left and right...to the extent that he publicly stated that he was going to bite off of PUN because "everyone else is doing it..." I really don't know who in their right mind would listed to Joe seriously enough to even think about his actions which is why this comment section is full of comments...because it's more about PUN than his lame ass. The chick is completely wrong for what she did...The kids however, as a lot of people are saying here, need to be taken care of ESPECIALLY if there are funds generated by their late father...Joe needs to make a public statement not for the sake of keeping his "fans" happy because I'm sure those 10-20 fans he has will remain somewhat loyal, but for personal integrity...It's all about intent...If dude is holding money and not giving it because of what his wife did with Cuban...then I'm all for it as long as he places the funds in a trust for the children's later use...But if he's using the wife's actions with Cuban Link as an excuse and justification for not giving any money up, then he's wrong and should really come to terms with this because if he doesn't, homie will be paying one way or the other...children grow up and Karma can be a mothafucka. This is similar to P-Diddy and Big. Big's ex-wife claims that they are not receiving any funds from the proceeds received for Biggie's compilations. This seems to be a problem in man