In a recent interview, G.O.O.D. Music artist Pusha T explained how his latest single “Pain,” which features production from Kanye West and a hook from Future, came about.

“One day, we were in New York City and…[Kanye and I] were starting to work on the album…we were going through beats, whatever, and we didn’t really find anything,” said the G.O.O.D. Music rapper. “He was behind the keyboard and he had all these discs, and I said, ‘Man, these your discs and that’s your keyboard…everything I need I’m sure is in one of these discs right here.’ So, he’s like, ‘Man, alright man,’ he throws off his sweatshirt and he pulls up this ‘Pain’ sample, and from there he just starts building around that.”

Pusha continued, “We were having a discussion at the same time about who was hot, and I was telling him, ‘Man, Future’s hot…Future had seven songs in the club…I only knew two of them, [but] the other five, everybody was chanting word for word, about 800 people in the spot – I felt slow’…so we made this record, and I said, ‘But if I use Future, I wanna use Future in a different capacity.’ I hear Future, Future sounds like a witch doctor to me. There’s something real dark and there’s something real eerie about his vocals, so I don’t want to use him in a club capacity like everybody else…as [Kanye’s] making the beat, I was like, ‘Man, we throw [Future] on that, we just let him do what he does.'”

Listen to the full interview below: