Is Joe Budden A Guinea Pig?

by Jokesta on February 25th, 2009

http://media.defsounds.com/uploads/assets/1310/1340/13675/assetSo Budden's highly and long overdue sophomore LP hit stores yesterday receiving a good amount of positive reviews. I thought the album is great, though after listening to "Pray For Me," everything else on the album seems subpar. As many of you noted, the last "conversation with god" track that carried as much meaning was DMX's "The Convo," I think Budden's came off better however because of the aggressiveness on Joeys part when questioning the big man.

Anyways, I digress from my original question. The Padded Room represents alot of things for Budden, but it may represent alot more for us as a whole. How so? Well, in today's day and age where everything is digital, the internet rules all, and records aren't necessarily flying off the shelves, The Padded Room will answer one pretty big question. How much can a rapper sell with JUST the web behind them? I'm not saying Budden fans are only online, I'm saying 90% of his fanbase are "internet soldiers." So can these internet soldiers land Joey on the Billboards?

I think that's the question Amalgam Digital looked to answer, using Joe as their guinea pig.

Budden is without a doubt one of the hardest working rappers on this here internets. Consistently dropping Freestyles, Mixtapes, collabos, hell, the guy even created his own reality show (as shitty as it is).

Budden is the biggest internet whore out of any rapper and it has paid off. His fanbase is growing day by day thanks to his own doing.

He's one of the few rappers that internet heads undeniably support.

But will this translate to sales?

There has been very little non-digital marketing for this album done--it dropped without a video for the first single, radio airplay in New York isn't at its best, and it's barely mentioned outside of the web.

If Padded Room manages to push some serious numbers, the model for releasing an album and building an artist will completely change. Not that it hasn't changed in the last couple of years, but this might be the eye opener labels who are still stuck in their old ways need. If it works, it can revolutionize the industry..if it doesn't....then well at least Budden finally dropped a second lp.

 
 
 
 

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flameeffex8 months ago
He won’t do big number… but he will land on the billboards… just not too high. Which is sad cuz he’s a great rapper. Now we just need a slaughterhouse album…
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hidavi8 months ago
Well, his album SOLD OUT everywhere in 24 hours. Even on Amazon, the Best Buy stores, the Best Buy website, etc. The digital downloads can’t sell out so those are still selling. They only shipped 70,000 units. He’s #15 on ITunes, #90 on Amazon. I think he’ll sell at least 80,000 units, but the Soundscan will show considerably less.
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fotkalibur8 months ago
^A true internet soldier, how the fuck do you know and remember all that shit?
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dabeast038 months ago
shit, thats true. joeys record label is kinda unknown until joe had signed with them. im believing that they really did just sign him to use him as a guinne pig.
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betyalyfe8 months ago
its a good album but i personally only like about 5 songs
im not AT ALL sayin that its a bad album, its just my opinion and my preferences
i know how to appreciate good music at the same time, and his album IS good music
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critikal8 months ago
yeah hidavi is right, I’ve been going all over to find that cd, it’s on backorder on a bunch of online sites, it’s sold out in stores, I went to a bunch of different FYE and Best Buys and they were sold out so I guess he ain’t doin too bad but I will be surprised if Joe Budden sells big time even if I wish he would
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saigiddy8 months ago
this man isn’t gona sell, as much as I want him to, he wont..

but the album was nutz! not all the tracks were that crazy tho, I LOVE pray for me, angels in my life, and in my sleep the most tho.

but daym Joey is a real MC, one of the few artists who put out the album with no punchline talk, just concepts and REAL shit
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xxalbertoxx8 months ago
I bought an autographed copy on the myspace page 12 plus shipping but that was before i learned that its 8 at best buy or i would of bought it there but anywayz i think its a great album the only song i wasn’t really feeling was happy holidays but yea its a solid 4/5 album in my opinion go cop it and support joey!

INTERNET SOLDIERS!!!
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kamus3658 months ago
WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT SALESTHE ALBUM’S DOPE. I WISH ALBUMS SOLD OFF ACTUAL TALENT ALONE. THEN PADDED ROOM WOULD GO FUCKIN’ DIAMOND……..
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cypressds8 months ago
wow this is basically the hiphopdx’s post just giving joey a little more credit. anyways the cd was good and wish joe luck. its worth the 8 bucks to go get it
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moneydadon8 months ago
Shit aint sold out here in AZ i seen it last night when i went in there to grab that 50 cent game.
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makaveli14908 months ago
Forget that who cares about sales, its great music. Thats an excuse for those who dont sell

If Im an artist, I want to sell a lot. Shows you its a lot of people out there listening to the shit you put ya hard work into

“If u aint in this rap game, for muthafuckin cash mayne, then wat is ya muthafuckin purpose”

To be broke even though u droppin good music. Fuck that. If Budden was to sell 70k on Soundscan. Congrats, he deserve it
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secondson8 months ago
This might work. If all the niggas that say they fuck with Joey buy him joint it will do ok.
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mrscarecrow8 months ago
But we all know they won’t all buy the album.
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wukid368 months ago
Well all i have to say is that Joey is one of the nicest nucca out right now. An as a hip hop head you should go support him i’m mean this is the way this cat makes money so hip hop head out there just support!
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nate7778 months ago
he’ll prolly sell as much as jim jones’ “american gangster” around 26k, so basically nothing special
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hidavi8 months ago
Nigga, he’s already sold an estimated 70,000. On his first day. You’re way off lol.
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lilchris24348 months ago
lol. Joey go hard, no homo. Pray for me is the shit.
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dcinthesouth8 months ago
If he flops, well idk what that is for him, but if he does, can he retract his statements about Def Jam holding him back? Or will he make excuses like LL
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cueromacho118 months ago
I don’t know what it is with Budden. Maybe it’s the voice, the style, the delivery, or a combination of all three that work to make him something less than hot. He’s not exactly wack, but he’s not great either.
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howgizdiz8 months ago
i hope he does good, shit im even buyin the album just to support joe, im from jerzey so u already kno i had to do that, but i think if we want hip hop to be how it use to be, we all need to start buyin albums, GO BUY PADDED ROOMS!
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leftyduvall8 months ago
I’ll try to pick up the album this wkend. is it ONLY available on the net tho?? cuz right now I’m thinkin “there’s an album cover, so why only release it digitally?”

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develop8 months ago
If you can find a best buy, target, fye thats not sold out you can still get a ohysical copy
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critikal8 months ago
develop where are you from that you can find physical copies?
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develop8 months ago
Its everywhere…..I’ve seen dudes in wisconsin Houston NY/NJ Georgia Florida all get the physical copy. The thing is is that each Best Buy/FYE/Target is only getting like 5 copies of it so if you get there too late they may be sold out. What you can do is order one from the Best Buy website and they’ll either deliver right to you or to the store or something. Or you can amalgamdigital.com it and purchase the digital download.
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leftyduvall8 months ago
@hidavi:

70K? on his first day? SERIOUSLY???
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develop8 months ago
Amalgam Digital (Joe’s label) produced 70k…..I dont think they sold all that…but thats how many copies they made
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moneydadon8 months ago
i watched a video the other day on Worldstar where they had A nigga goin in there and buyin every album off the shelf so its not like he sellin out to the masses n shit
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develop8 months ago
yo if you go to youtube and search for something like “Padded Room purchase” or something like that his fans have been making videos of them going and buying his album and showing their support.
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reckless8 months ago
It’s a good consistent album, it should sell well, but I just don’t know if Joe is that well known to shift the numbers, but I hope he is.
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my2cents8 months ago
I THINK JOE IS RAW BUT HE AINT GUNNA SELL LIKE THAT..POPLE DONT BUY ALBUMS N E MORE UNLESS ITS WAYNE OR 50 OR KANYE OR N E BODY ELSE MAINSTREAM
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blackmamba248 months ago
who give a fuk what he sells , make sure you cope it and bang it with your homies !!! give a fuck what the charts say !!! i would only pay attention to overall sales out of support for buddens and hoping it was a success !!! i will enjoy the shit fuk the rest and fuk the haters !!!
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joty8 months ago
Cosign on that shit son

Your Friendly Neighborhood
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draebless8 months ago
word, go cop… i did, the shyt is a classic
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assholebynature8 months ago
it probably wont sell much Ima cop it tomorrow though if its in stores. I rather have a physical copy than one off the internet.
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leftyduvall8 months ago
^ co-sign

it’ll make my collection look good
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dirtypaperz8 months ago
I dont think he will do big numbers, Buddens should do numbers coz his skill is CRAZY! But he aint got no machine behind him and is not know well enuff know outside of the hardcore rap scene. I spoke to some-one about Buddens new album (They are not into rap too much) they said I didnt think he was still rapping after pump it up came out?
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dcaro05218 months ago
The album is fire, good as hell. Jersey!
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vuns18 months ago
I WENT AND COPPED DA PADDED ROOM YESTERDAY AND IT WAS ONLY 2 COPIES LEFT AND LET ME TELL U…I CAN LISTEN TO IT STR8 THRU WITH DA EXCEPTION OF MAYBE ONE TRACK. MY FAVORITE MAYBEPRAY FOR ME” BUT IDK..CUZEXXXES” IS MY SHIT AND “I COULDNT HELP IT”…MAN I AINT EVEN GOTTA SPEAK ON IT!!! IF U DONT GOT IT OR GET IT U LAME
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vuns18 months ago
DA WHOLE ALBUM HOT BUT THOSE JUST ARE A FEW STAND OUTS
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joovyxl8 months ago
joe is a hot rapper but i dont think his album will sell much, i mean aside from the fact ppl dont go out and buy albums no more, his label is unknown (i dont even know its name) and on top of that he hasnt put out a video for the only single he has released. for those reasons and others i dont think it will move many units.
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justblaze088 months ago
man this album will not sell much theres not even a music video for it yet the future didnt even come out and plus i went to best buy they didnt even have it so i had to order that shit on itunes im telling u the music stores aint selling shit nowadays its all z share
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sqad8 months ago
go cop the fucking album you bums… you dont even need to leave the crib… just go cop it online
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jumpoff8 months ago
HOPE HE SELLS 300,000
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madinzane8 months ago
I believe Joe Budden is just trying to grasp some visual lookin’ Eminem shit such as the level of craziness.. but even then who remembers Budden for anything other than “Pump it Up”?? lol..
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develop8 months ago
If you’re real hip hop head then you know Budden has been doing in the underground scene.

smh @ people’s ignorance
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king723318 months ago
You mean a real internet head…
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develop8 months ago
nah…I mean a real hip hop head….if you really looking for the dopeness you’ll find it wherever its at
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newyetti8 months ago
I remebr budden from Mood Muzik 1-3 and every other song besides pump it up on his 1st joint….

I like how niggas try to clown this dude joey for that pump it up song when they know for a fact the liked that shit…he dropped sum barz in that shit

“Ma tellin me she dont give Brain like im stupid, You can do anything if you put your mind to it”


I still say that to bitches….
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geminijunebaby8 months ago
dam aint heard from this dude in a min yall should atleast give him a chance wait til he come out wit a video and see if ya like tha song wit the way the game is today i think anybody could make it
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valente8 months ago
Joe shit iz da truth but ill say mayb his record label iz usin him as ah dat reference but he aint no whore. he doin what got him most his respect and love. alotta rap cats do shit 4money now i can honestly say he do mosty errthang 4da fans. his reality show iznt shitty itz random and funny. but n e way da album iz crazy. i only skip ova If I Gotta Go. sumtynes Dont Make Me. but da rest iz nyce. Exxxes iz my fav. and itz sold out errwher n ohio and most ky as i no. dat shocked me
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ghostc8 months ago
fuck joe budden i hate that homo he’s the most overrated rapper of all time
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starks9148 months ago
buddes is ill his mixtpaes are classics even though mood music 3 felt sub par 2 me idk i liked halfway house alot more but im def coppin padded room
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nas2ndgoat8 months ago
every1 is sayin it wont sell but shit AD only shipped 70,000 and it sold out the first day so how wont it sell
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tomzilla8 months ago
fuck record sales …..joe a beast no matter what….he can go toe to toe with any of youre favorite rappers…GHOSTC youre aloud ur opinion but how he overrated like wtf hes the most underrated …..mainstream only knows him by pump it up ….so wtf kinda gibberrish you speakin…and he selling out according to everyone on this post sooo fuck all you haterz
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oak2msu8 months ago
although i wud want him 2, i doubt that hes gonna do numbers. its hard enough 4 those that used 2 move units sell, so hes prolly gonna have a hard time. imma still cop it tho.


www.straightouttahiphop.com
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jerzgirl8 months ago
i bought that album as soon as bestbuy opened yesterday im just not to crazy about the song holiday

jersey stand the fuck up!
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zooyork10288 months ago
go cop the album! support joey!
jersey bitch!
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bigl12308 months ago
JERZZZZZZZZZ—-Buddens my nigga, very lyrical but don’t get the recognition. The Song PRAY FOR ME is one of the greatest Songs Ever Created. I have been listening to it all day and yesterday. Shit Was Phenomenal
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valente8 months ago
sum dude n wisconsin or howeva u spell it went n and copped 8 Padded Rooms. he da truth and he got da white gurl dat werk at best buy 2scream internet soldiers. Cop dat shit. he not gimmicky or nuthin. he jus about whateva err real hip hop and lyricist fan stands 4.
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koniac8 months ago
real artist never go platnium anymore man
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koniac8 months ago
theres an exception for a few like game, and t.i. but buddens will never sell records but he in my top 5 tho
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secondson8 months ago
Is Joe the next Canibus? You know, a nigga that got skillz out the ass but the album sells just won’t be there. If skills was what was selling albums he would be one of the tops in the game.
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los20038 months ago
Ok think about it from purely a financial standpoint.. there weren’t a million cds pressed up.. And there is low overhead cause it’s all online and he gets a lot of buzz on his own.. And for the record label the digital download almost cost them nothin its pure profit for the most part.. He could seel 20,000 and be in the black alreaDY or close to it.. someone could make a lot of money doin this himself…
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newyetti8 months ago
WORD school these Guys that cant read between the lines..


See when Kanye puts out and album they press up a million copies then do these expensive videos and appreances which he has to pay the label back so if he only moves 100,000 than hes in the RED or in DEabt to the label which is were the term FLOP came from…

But if budden label only did 70,000, minimal promo, and is sellin more of the net…

then like my dude said above me he could easily sell 20,000 and make more then some of these rappers that sold 100,000

THINK BOUT IT!
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los20038 months ago
thats y it has always been an artists advantage financially to be independent.. you go major for fame not money.. take the model of the south before people started signing with major label.. they got 6 or 7 bucks a cd.. and with majors you may get maybe 2 depending who you are..the math was never hard to do
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nwordplease8 months ago
I fux wit Joe Buddens on his underground shit!!!!!

But he doesnt care about havin an image therefore he’s not marketable!!!!!

People who buy albums dont give a fuck about beats & ryhmes
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amigon8 months ago
Budden is a beast, and I hope he does over a 100k in a months time. he deserves it.
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jtyme8 months ago
lemmme start by sayin the cd is sick as hell… its ashame how much talent he has and still gets overlooked when mentioning great rappers. this cd is twice as good the carter iii but it wont do half the numbers on the chart. i respect joe for puttin out real lyrical hip hop even when the norm is stupid coonery and watered down bullshit.
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secondson8 months ago
Glad to see some niggas up here knows how the industry work. On album sales the artist only get between 7 to 12% of the sales. My advice to any person trying to break in is to go the indie route. The industry is designed to keep the artist in debt to the lable they signed to. Joe did a good thing leaving def jam, and going the route he took. Lets see if that translates into mo money, mo money, mo money.
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puffpiffsiplean8 months ago
CURREN$Y MARCH 31ST. DROPPIN INDEPENDENT CAUSE WAYNE WAS TOO SCARED TO HAVE HIM DROP AN ALBUM BECAUSE OF HIS UNDENIABLE TALENT HAHAHA. THIS AINT NO MIXTAPE, COP THAT, SUPPORT REAL MUSIC!!!
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emac6148 months ago
I got the album the day it came its nice no weak songs on it but as far as sales go its not a mainstream type of album and by his song concepts I think he could care less about sales
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cutup8 months ago
I see the majority of cats showing Budden mad love and thats whatsup. Dude is nasty and his lyrics forget about it. This dude seem like he been through a lot and he got a story to tell for yo ass. Padded room is definitely in the deck MP3 style.
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martintp38 months ago
is it me or is this the first record in about 3 years to not have an auto tune or a superman hook
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ephilz8 months ago
He is a Guinea Pig. I would call him a Pioneer though. I love how “media” like to put a negative spin on everything.

Even if he sells 50k he’s still ahead of the game cause everything is low cost. That’s why no big video, no billboards & expensive marketing, no ass kissin the DJs or throwin em 10 stacks to play the single every hour (yes this does happen).

The reason artists consider big numbers like going gold or platinum a success is because they spend outragous amounts on videos & promotion & shit that is irrelevant nowadays. Maybe not irrelevant, but less significant. Who watches videos besides YouTube? What channel even plays whole videos anymore?

To me, since he is an artist that always comes wit the truth, & won’t ever dumb down his music for those that can’t comprehend what he’s talkin about, he is Hip Hop & everything Hip Hop is supposed to be in 2009.

To ignorant ass people that hate on Budden…FUCK YOU. You’d prolly get stuck in a glass room full of rocks, so go kick some. ONE
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dooflinky8 months ago
why is everybody lying and trying to say that it sold out, i went to the store on wednsday to grab that new project pat “real recognize real” album and they had about 11 or 12 copy’s of the joe budden album, that was just in the new release section, i didn’t even bother checking the actual isle. you all are a bunch of fucking lyers pretending that dude sold off the shelves, laugh my fucking ass off, go buy that new project pat and do yourself some fucking good.
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nwordplease8 months ago
Shut cha weird ass up nigga!!!!!
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valente8 months ago
aint nobody lyin homie. shit did sell out, mayb not da 1store u went 2. aint nobody gotta lie. ders no point n dat. and u crazy as fuck talkin bout sum damn Porject Pat ova Joey. i fuck wit 3 6 oldshit but dey fell way da fuck off. dey beatz dnt even save’em no more.
do yoself sum good and stimulate ya mind wit sum real good muzik from da soul
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nwordplease8 months ago
AHEM!!!!!!

“Yung Mayo is a FAGGOT” end quote!
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escoletsgo338 months ago
i decided to check this joint out and yea its fire. i listen to all old shit 90s shit nas jay you know. 09 is looking good them niggas prob gonna come out wit some shit and then you got the kid cudi, wale (D.c. nigg), yea and joe bud made a almost classic album but above all these faggot ass tight wearing nipple ring in they mouth crack head muuuufffuckas like wayne oh yea and fuck ross hahah im high as shit
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ghettot8 months ago
yo im happy that joeys sellin but i cant even cop an album at the fukin best buy its sold out
its sold out at all the local cd stores
reppin jerseeeeeeyyyyyyyyyy
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valente8 months ago
order dat shit or wait til like tuesday cuz deyll get anutha shipment n prolly. shit iz hot man. must have
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psmurf9548 months ago
might get trashed but didn’t Ryan Les and (hate to say it) sloulja boi do this already? and come on, Budden doing numbers, unless he got pump it up remix…. hell naw buddy.
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thedanryan8 months ago
makaveli1490 — 3 days ago Forget that who cares about sales, its great music. Thats an excuse for those who dont sell
“If u aint in this rap game, for muthafuckin cash mayne, then wat is ya muthafuckin purpose”
-——————————
What an ever loving ass-clown you are, as a consumer what stake do you have in an artist sales? You gettin a hard on when your favorite artist goes platinum? Who gives a shit..you homo dick-riding stan.

-And you quote one of the outlaws..ha Some of the weakest rappers/hype-men in history. They were lucky Pac put them on.
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blackmamba248 months ago
i agree with dude abouve ^^^^^ if you personally like the album then fucking bang it !!! who cares who else buy it !!!!
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iceyhotwater8 months ago
i own padded room its 1 of the best albums i ever herd
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newyetti8 months ago
I downloaded the album and love it….Ive been stalkin best buy tryin to actually buy a copy but they dont have them so it looks like i gotta wait to support…

i dont really see the point of paying to download the songs to put them on a blank cd anyway ya kno? if im buying it i want the official shit!
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develop8 months ago
You dont see the point in supporting the music? smh music is gonna fucking fail so hard
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bunz8 months ago
I brought the album friday and i seriously think the entire album is so crzy pray for me is hard and Exxxes is sick and i think the hardest of all the tracks on the album are I couldnt help it and In my sleep. I say this Please cop the album dont cheat and limewire the shit its worth it!
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beesee8 months ago
The way everybody is talking I gatta buy this mug.. And to the kid that copped 8 padded rooms I applud u and joe budden Homie.. That’s real.. If everybody was like that.. Then hiphop a change.. I would love 2 see good rappers come back.. I love hiphop culture…
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contraband8 months ago
i wasnt aware internet fans have ever in the history of the internet or rap made a legal full price purchase of anything online lol….

and if you do that makes you a contradiction… cause why wouldnt you buy it in the store then??? cd sales didnt decline cause niggas got tired of not having to burn a cd… or cause they was forced to look at cool ass cd art… niggas stopped buying cds cause they found out they could get the music without buying it… lets not forget that

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havana2bueno8 months ago
He flopped……it was a decent album….the stans need to accept that he aint ever gonna sell….
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admiralnyce8 months ago
Dude can rap, and I been checkin his internet hustle as I am from Jerz….but on the real the streets don’t f with Joe…and it’s crazy….it’s people’s intelligence level and attention spans….If its not something they can grasp immediately they won’t take the chance to listen and understand…as long as the beat bangs people will like it…Joe would have to make a song with a major artist to really sell…Joe is caught in the battle rapper zone were thats all they see you as….Look at Lupe alot of critical acclaim but it doesn’t translate into sales…The Kid Charles H is going on the same path…but you have to give him props for his grind….
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sikmeta4s7 months ago
ayo i get you admiral for real …..but anyway can anyone tell me whats up with slaughterhouse??are they an official crew now coz ive heard a few tracks of theas and there always repping slaughterhouse,dope shit collabo shit they really compliment each others styles..im talking about joe buddens royce da 5 9 joell ortez and crooked i…ive heard 2 of thea track collabos and definetly think they should make an album together…itd sell for sure
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cormegaisking7 months ago
budden is the worst one from slaughterhouse. but hes still a good rapper no doubt
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mrzebony7 months ago
watz next joe? joe da dog gonna be next right
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rickdangerous6 months ago
buddens can spit but is not getting pumped the way he should. if his real peope are net headz then cop his shit for real and dont give a flying fuck what no body says. If niggaz can listen to that fukn bullshit lil payne i mean lil wayne is spittin then buddens is a mofo diamond. the comparison is none
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hailcesar6 months ago
you fucking new gen. hip hoppers make me fucking ill. who gives a fuck about whether or not he sells one album or two. that shit makes no difference. this man is the rapper grinder. fuck eater. he grinds rappers apart. internet soldiers? are you fucking kidding. everyone on this earth is a fucking internet soldier. the term internet soldier was invented by internet soldiers. if you like rick ross, 50 cent, nelly, and actually bought an album by them. shut your fucking mouth. put down the keyboard. especially the fucktards that they got writing this bull shit article. go kill yourself. this shit is not a high school side project. church bitches.
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