Are the good rappers not selling because they suck?
by on July 1st, 2008
Are the good rappers not selling because they suck?
… at marketing?
Nas came out with an anthem. Since then, every one has become the expert...pointing fingers at every other rapper and movement because album sales aren’t what they used to be. The problem with all the barbershop talk and internet nail salon gossip is that most of the time, people are failing to see the bigger picture.
Hip Hop isn’t the only genre in danger, it’s the music business as a whole. Sales have been going down considerably in the last few years—labels are having to get smarter with their releases and it’s getting harder and harder to go platinum!
Labels started selling less when they released artists who weren’t as magnificent as their predecessors. Believe it or not, Defsounds readers, there was a time when you could hear an artist’s single, go out and buy the album and bump it from beginning to end. Now you’re lucky if the single is worth buying.
There
was a Golden Era in music, where every album was a piece of artistry sewn into
the fabric of foreverness. Now it’s some
whack shit slapping you across the face, kind of.
The assumption is right. On one hand, it is less work, but
that’s because the artists they’re picking up are people that are busting their
asses to make a check. It’s not just
about a catchy chorus and inventing a new dance every six to eight hours
depending on weather conditions in the South and
So maybe if all our favorite rappers would unbunch the silk panties they have stuck up their asses, and understand that in order to get picked up and pushed by a label you have to prove to them that you won’t be a waste of their money—something we wouldn’t blame any normal person for doing.
Besides, Souljah Boy isn’t as whack as ya’ll make him out to
be. He was 17, making dance music. I love Immortal Technique, but I’m not trying
to get down to Dance With the Devil. I’d
rather objectify that woman and Superman her.
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I remember going to Iraq, it was like 4-5 days before The Cool dropped and I was like “Yo man, I need that album for my trip” and I just had to get the album, and I ended up downloading the shit even though I promised myself to go and cop the album.
Now, I’m not claiming I’m some kinda saint or something, but dude, I’m really blaming all this shit on the internet..
For the stupid people
NO INTERNET = NO LEAK = BETTER ALBUM SALES
1.2PAC
2.NASTY NAS=THE BEST RAPPER ALIVE
3.EMINEM
4.RAKIM
5.JAY Z
6.ICE CUBE
7.NOTORIOUS B.I.G
8.CANIBUS
9.LL COOL J
10.SCARFACE
11.KRS-ONE
12.LUPE FIASCO
13.LUDACRIS
14.BIG DADDY KANE
15.STICKY FINGAZ
16.METHOD MAN
17.GHOST FACE KILLAH
18.A Z
19.BIG PUN OR BIG L=BOTH COULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING SPECIAL IN THE HIP HOP GAME BUT HAD SHORT CAREERS R.I.P TOO BOTH OF THEM.
20.MASTA ACE
HIP HOP MUSIC
that makes a lot of sense. its true i think
Nas wouldn’t perform at a small nightclub. it’s the difference in their demeanor. Nas is a profilic rapper, he is well off, and he is generally heralded as the GOAT.
Soulja boy is well known, he is pretty broke in all actuality, and he is widely considered as the Brutus who delivered the final stab to hip hop. so he has to grab any gig he can to get promotion, sell cds, and sell merchandise.
Nas on the other hand, can get a show just about anywhere. he doesn’t see any reason to go out and jump around and dance and whatnot because of his reputation as the best. so, as stated above, he figures his rhymes will be enough. this isn’t a great comparison, but it gets the point across.
the second more great rappers start performing year round and with as much intensity as kanye, the second real artists will start generating a much bigger buzz in the game.
or they could go the “Nigger/Untitled” route and build a buzz off of controversy. and you all know this statement is truth so just take it, like it and love it.
and Nas and Soulja Boy are in no way shape or form on the same scale, i used them because they are polar opposites, so don’t crucify me, i’m just dropping my opinion doods.
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i agree that the internet had a influence on this. but artist just need to adapt. you can do everything and more to promote your music. but if your music sucks. people arent gona recognize you. yeah you got a single but unless you prove yo self ppl just gona download, cause that catchy hit song is prolly hot just for the beat. n prolly the only decent song on the album. ya got to have some talent. sorry one hit wonders
listen to joe’s who, the whole way through. he makes alot valid points..
i wish, i fucking wish i could bump cds all the way through. eminem is my fav, he is consistant in dropin albums that i can bump all the way through. and he talks about some deep shit.
ill drop bills only for quality music.
Merengue is one of the most popular forms of dance music in the world, let alone Latin America, and they got songs with absolutely NO substance.
La Vaca – The Cow.
Lyrics go like this
La Vaca. Moo.
La Vaca. Moo.
La Vaca. Moo.
What people pay attention to is the music, the beat, the arrangement, it’s all ill. At the same time though, they got artists like Ricardo Arjona who will put out a single of straight singing, with no chorus. He’s super political and has sold over 15 million.
The problem isn’t that Hip Hop is doing this or that, it’s that we’re not letting it do ALL of it. I’m sure no body would have a problem with Souljah Boy if Styles P was doing big numbers too. We need balance and diversity.
AND FOR OUR FAVORITE ARTISTS TO QUIT ACTING LIKE BREEZIES.
Bachata had to grow on me, but even that is dope.
The WHOLE WORLD is doing dance music. AND deep shiznit. Hip Hop needs to follow suit.
“U.S. album sales for the first quarter of 2008 plunged another 11%, according to a Nielsen SoundScan report that marks a continuing slump for an industry stuck in a downward spiral for six of the past seven years. U.S. digital sales, however, made up music’s lone bright spot: they soared 53% in 2007 and now make up 23% of all U.S. recording revenue.” (they even have nice pie charts for it)
But doesn’t that eventually get the Artist the money they worked for? or are we just saddened to see great foundation for the music industry die down?
MAKE MUSIC THE AVERAGE NIGGA LIKE ME CAN RELATE TO.
its a double album..that shit is real nice too..called “Killer”..you should pick it up
While some savvy marketing can help sales( Kanye, 50, Lil Wayne) lack of it cant be blamed for failure. I mean I’m not Lil Waynes fan, but dude did sell a Millie(no pun intended) with his album leaked and 30 some odd mixtapes. It can be done. Creativity or lack of it gets shunned too. Jay tried a new approach with Kingdom Come and while it might have did numbers, some were put off by the grown up tone of the album.
Really though, if a Cd costs 15 bucks to buy and gas is 3.90 a gallon, I’m going to just listen first and buy or Limewire tracks I really can replay over and over.
But straight up.
Kingdom Come was whack. Eff all that “too sophisticated” non-sense. What’s he trying to say? That it went over our heads? That we as an audience couldn’t understand where he was coming from? My ass. It was trash. Half-hearted. Too bad kneegr0w.
And even with the economy in a recession … look. How many poor people you know still have fly kicks. People find a way to do things, it just has to be worth-while.
PLUS. The fact that people are spending so much on gas is because they’re dumb as shit.
Public transportation exists for a reason, but they’d rather break their banks for convenience. Eff that. I’ll take the metro to LA and back for 15 dollars. AND I’ll buy a CD. Kn’amsizzle. ;]
Big Doe Rehab
The Cool
The Solution
American Gangster
UGK….
i mean its a two way street are people not buying cus the music sucks?
or do people make shitty music because people arent buying?
i dont think limewire or napster were the problem..its the way that the recording business handled them..the fuckin RIAA blew that shit WAY out of proportion, and all those artists that got all fuckin personally offended with their music bein available for free download..they fucked up
its our fault in part..but really..its the fact that just like the movies..and tv shows..with all those fuckin reality tv shows(fuck them..)..artists realized they could “get rich quick”, and that gimmicky shit sold..and stopped caring about the substance and meaning behind their shit..
sad but true..and the list is WAY too fuckin long.
and in closing..seriously, as much as i HATE the fuckin dude..Dj Khaled is helping the industry..hes collectivizing that shit and makin HUGE, DRAMATIC records with menacing ass production..its not his fault if shawty lo can rap, but hes tryna bring bone thugs, ti, wayne, rick ross, fat joe, akon, twista,NAS, beanie siegel, freeway..all those dudes onto one record..
its nice to know some people are trying.
Albums that shoudl’ve wen’t platinum : Freeway-Free at last,of course Lupe’s album,Styles P,The Roots and Beanz it saddens me to see niggas like Freeway who have two classic albums but stay getting overlooked
What happens is that people think you need a gimmick to blow. What you really need above all else is a connection with an audience. You can have the whackest shit ever, but if you’re giving back to the community, involved with your fans, and they feel connected to you, you can sell ridiculous numbers.
And that’s how it starts. Build a fan base and all else follows.
I agree with Phillyallday215, the rappers he named and then some should of went plat but the hip-hop scene is different now. You can’t tell me Freeway wasn’t putting in work to promote his album and making himself hot. He was killing every mix-tape and feature he was on before his album came out. He still couldn’t go plat. The hip-hop scene, like I said caters to the dance and gimmicky shit nowadays. Unless you’re a big name like Jay, 50, Wayne, Kanye etc… You’ll be lucky to even go platinum with out some dance song and shit.
thats not a good look!
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jokes…
shit is only gonna get worse….and touring is only gonna become more important…..no work ethic (as u stated) no money….done…
Ye in this day & age you are most definitely gon have to come up with a catchy song, or a real club banger, or even a song with a dance attached to it to gain numbers, but we sometimes forget the purpose of music which is to entertain. People always like to point fingers in situations where shit hits the fan and it’s real funny.
I respect the hustle more than anything cause that I think is one thing no one can fake out. The rappers who might not be as “lyrically inclined” as the next cat is probably out there longer on the block pushing his tape or making the trips to various radio stations to do promo interviews, doing drops, sending their shit out to different dj’s across the board and so on. People tend to forget that hip-hop music was originally independent.
it’s 2 things which are called an “i-pod” and a “cd burner”…those 2 things fucked the music industry up for everybody. if you take away those 2 things, EVERYONE will go gold at the minimum and everyone will be eating good.
basically what i’m saying is, if there weren’t cd burners or limewire, every artist will go gold their first week no matter who they are because you will have no other option but to buy the album.
So it IS because of whack marketing, and no promotion, and garbage, just as much as the internet and CD burners are to blame.
That’s not the point though. If everybody sat around and came up with 1,000 reasons how a certain disease was contracted, nothing would get done. It takes the people learning how to get rid of the disease that make the movement.
So in music, it could be because of global warming. It doesn’t matter. Rappers better start selling ice packets with their CD’s to start pushing more albums. Or maybe not albums. Maybe the market is gonna move away from that, turn albums into a promotional tool and make all the loot off of shows.
ReDef.
ReDef.
so i guess dudes coming out dont have to dress like Kanye or anything, but damn you gotta work as hard as the dude does to go plat.
what about Mos Def? Steadily drops rediculous material with great content and extraordinary skill and with Black On Both Sides, made a hip hop classic yet can’t sell gold!
or the same with Talib Kweli?
Or how about AZ who possess so much lyrical skill and has a flawless flow and raps about everything that we expect from hip hop yet can’t even go gold?!
or even Nas who has never dropped a trash album with exceptions to Nastradomous, yet can’t go multi-platinum for some quality efforts that would normally, under today’s standards see mediocre albums such as Kingdom Come go platinum, Soulja Boy go platinum, D4L go near platinum, T.I. who I think is extremely overrated go platinum, etc etc…
I mean there isn’t a balance here and I don’t blame the artists, I actually place blame on the fans who allow IGNORANT shit to take over the game! I don’t mind having different forms of hip hop from Soulja Boy to Nas, but why is it that fans will by something as worthless as a Soulja Boy album yet let Nas sit on the shelf and creep to platinum? Makes no sense to me at all! The fans need to get their shit together and stop “killing” the genre and helping it sell out to the mainstream!
He’s wacker than we make him out to be. He should kill himself.
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I actually spoke about this last week…
Until motherfuckers start seein’ how the game is out of balance,
nobody’ll be sellin’
We need a hip-hop nirvana.
Two of my favorites, Nas & Lupe Fiasco, will eat any MC you will ever name me as their lyricism and flow/style are INCREDIBLE! But for some reason aka IGNORANT BITCHASSNESS APPROVING DUDES can’t realize talent like they should and they let the real talent such as Lupe Fiasco who should go multi-platinum with the two classics he has out, stay under gold while trash ass niggas like D4L & Soulja Boy are selling millions!
Bottom line is hip hop is struggling because it has gone so commercial, people judge rappers by what “hit records” they make and how many records they can sell. As a matter of fact, the beat is more than half of the reason why the record sells so big ups to the productions, but some of these niggas need to stop. I mean, some niggas aren’t saying ANYTHING in their work… AND THAT ISN’T ABOUT HIP HOP BECAUSE IT’S ALWAYS ABOUT THE MESSAGE!
Long live REAL hip hop… guys that keep it coming all the time… ICE CUBE, NAS, some of JAY-Z work cause he gone commercial too, AZ, EMINEM, OUTKAST, LUDACRIS some of his shit is so skillfull, MOS DEF, COMMON SENSE, TALIB KWELI, LUPE FIASCO, etc, etc!
New motherfuckers are, by default, becoming gangster rappers(knowin’ not a damn thing about that lifestyle) or making pop dance records (one-hit quitters)
We don’t need any new (and more than likely, lyin’) gangster rappers unless you can tell a different story
We damn sure don’t need more “rappers” makin’ pop dance records that go #1 but the album ain’t shit or sellin’ shit
By Lupe’s numbers with the Cool, it appears that creativity is coming back
(even thought the 1st single Superstar got heavy plays on pop radio) but even so, that shows that somethin’ different can survive in this fucked-up mainstream
P.S. Motherfuckers got to learn to write hot bars and make harder beats
Ooooo i hit a nerve, now all of the weezy fans (damn the name weezy is just gay sorry) are gonna band together and attack me. too bad i’m not gonna respond cuz I’ll be speechless if someone that that so empty minded to think his lyrics are raw is actually capable of working a computer
i dont entirely blame the internet….im only 17 but i think its our society as a whole…to be more specific…my generation…we are lazy as fuk, nd we want shit done fast….why buy when u can download from your home? lazy..lazy people
Ooooo i hit a nerve, now all of the weezy fans (damn the name weezy is just gay sorry) are gonna band together and attack me. too bad i’m not gonna respond cuz I’ll be speechless if someone that that so empty minded to think his lyrics are raw is actually capable of working a computer]
i see where you comin from but one thing you wrong about is the effort. lil wayne stays in the studio even when he’s on the road. one thing he does put into his music is effort. who else pumps out 3 to 4 songs a day. it might not be good in your opinion but you cant deny he puts effort behind his work and thats why he sells. thats why most of these artist do sell because they do grind hard and put out mixtapes not only that but promote those albums and mixtapes perform costantly. bootlegging does bring sales down but alot of these nw rappers still pull in more sales then alot of the rappers most people complain about not selling. like i said if theirs a million wayne dick riders then theirs a million records sold for wayne. and if theirs a million people sitting at home on the internet complaining about “real rappers” not selling then thats a million people that need to ask them selves how many albums they’ve bought to contribute to “real rappers” record sales. my point is… shut the hell up. if ya’ll niggas aint supportin the “real rappers” then maby thats why their not sellin and i dont want to hear a million people bullshit me about how they are until that rapper has a million records sold.
and the verse was the beat so you listen to me first/
and then dance later/
you don’t get it get a fucken translator/
That verse by Bishop Lamont pretty much sums up hip hop these days.
Also, as previously mentioned by many, a good work ethic helps considerably when trying to move albums, but if you’re shit is garbage then no amount of work ethic, performances, etc can make up for that.
So no one is going to shop to buy that kind of music. Then you got the net where you can download your music, your best artist etc…for free.
So no one is going to shop to buy that kind of music. Then you got the net where you can download your music, your best artist etc…for free.
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As we have evolved with new technology, people just aren’t in to music the same way they used to be. Now it seems everyone has too much stuff to do, and not enough money to invest in albums they can hear for free or on a $5 mixtape.
Nothing against mixtapes…I’m an artist myself, but at this point I would never sign with a major label because they will push my album back for years and try to commercialize it, while I’m grinding and tryin to feed my son.
The future of Hip-Hop is indie music and the Internet. I’d rather sell 5,000 copies of a mixtape every few months that I will get 100% of the money from ($25,000) rather than release 1 album every couple years that sells 100,000 copies and I only get 12 cents per copy of ($12,000).
If an artist is hot, is willing to work hard at promoting and marketing their own music…the streets can’t deny it.
The other problem is that the fans wants different things from an album that the indusrty does. The fans want the real shit, the hood shit and the industry wants the club bangers and the dance hits.
A major artist will have a hard time selling albums without selling out at least a little bit. If a major artist doesn’t want to sell out, they will have problems getting their label to market their music properly.
This is why I started 730 Enterprizes…we only release real shit, real talk, true life stories and experiences. You want dance music, holla at Diddy or somebody
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its actually all the super bad rappers who is selling like: T.I. Lil Wayne, Flo Rida… they not good “rappers” any of them. all of em is overrated, and the super good rappers ain’t selling shit. cus real obviously don’t recognize real. it’s a fuckin shame to the rap game.
The actually question should be: “How long does rap surive?” cus what we have right now, witt all these mainstream suckers ISN’T rap…
That was real. First off, rap was original. It isnt any longer. its been done.
It can be done more, but it will take a genius to make it work, and music is rarely ever as good as right out the gate. Secondly, the materialistic bent does it no service. it robs it of credibility. Say what you feel. People know bankers are rich – you want to be a banker or an artist? People want to identify, not be made to feel small. Third – where’d all the politics go, and I dont mean complaining, I mean thinking. Anyway, we all get older, and young people will do what they want for themselves, but it sure does seem like music has gone straight to hell. The labels and producers are far too lazy, but someone will do something, because quality makes money. Personally, i think people should go back to playing instruments. Use samplers, but dont rely on them. You cant clear anything anymore. Oh yeah, going to Youtube, that’s why people dont buy music – its free, although the biggies are getting paid for youtube plays now….