Are Rappers Dumb, Dull, And Lazy, Or Is It Just Me? [Part 1]

by Lyricalthought on August 31st, 2009

I have to say that after years of being a member/follower/contributer to Defsounds.com, it is clear that my style of hip hop, as well as my standards for a good album can at times be completely different compared to some of the other members of the Defsounds community. But usually when good music is out my opinion usually runs consistently with others, well that was what I thought until a couple of days ago.

While sitting in a recording studio at my graduate school, I got into a conversation with a friend about Blueprint III, and Loso's Way. Two very different albums, from two of my favorite rappers, but for some reason this friend of mine felt that Loso's Way was a classic album, and that Blueprint III would also be a classic. Now some of you may actually agree with this friend of mine, but clearly, I do not and here is why.

Blueprint III and Loso's Way have one thing in common to me. They both have way to many collaborations. To some this may come off as no big deal, but let me explain why I see this as a problem.

If the Hip Hop industry is one where artist are supposed to take pride in their lyrical skill and ability to make a good song or songs, then what does it look like an album where over half of your songs has someone else on it, are you out of idea's, inspiration subject, plot, lyrics, are you unable to hold down an entire album by yourself, what is it?

Why is it that I pay 12-20 dollars to purchase an album that is supposed to feature you and what you have to say, but I hear more T-Pain, Drake, Trey Songz and whoever else is doing hot collabo's right now. There is nothing wrong with a hot collabo, or two, even three is good. But how much of the album can I say is really yours when on every song there is someone else joining in.

This is the problem I have with the Blueprint III. That Hov is by far my favorite rapper (with Joe Budden coming in a close second), but how dare you name this album the Blueprint, then when the tracklist is released, all I see are features.

The Blueprint was a classic and it only had 3 features, Reasonable Doubt had 7 features, but lets be honest, he wrote Bleek's verse and probably Foxy's, so its really 5. The Black Album, which in my eyes was a sure fire classic, only had one feature, so why now pop up with an album that resembles a compilation album, when its supposed to be follow up to some of your best work ever?

How can I trust that your still the best rapper alive when you cant even put out an album that has 7 straight tracks with just you spitting?

http://media.defsounds.com/uploads/assets/1899/1959/26629/asset.jpegAs for Fab, he is my favorite rapper, while at the same time being one of the artist that I hate the most. How do you make a concept album, then fail to stay on topic on your own album, how does that happen?

The original plan for the album was to limit the featured artist, and make it a more street gritty album, that focused on the concept of the movie Carlito's Way, but in Fabolous eyes. Instead you get an album that's great for the clubs. It does wonders for the females, but fails at what it was meant to be a CONCEPT ALBUM.

To make matters worse out of 19 songs (two which were Itunes Bonus tracks) eleven of them have some sort of featured artist. So to add it all up, he cant stay on topic. He made an album for women and casual listeners, when this was supposed to be his street friendly album, and now he's oversaturating the CD with other people, because from this writer's eyes he cant seem to make a complete song by his self. Now you tell me how this or Blueprint III deserves to be a classic.

http://media.defsounds.com/uploads/assets/1900/1960/26630/asset.jpegWith saying that, there have been albums that proved to be great and they had a lot of collabo's. Doggie Style, The Chronic, All Eyes On Me, were all great albums, which were heavy on collabo's, but those were artist that ascended beyond the skill set of a Fabolous, so choose your arguments wisely.

Next up I'll discuss Lil Wayne and all of the way's he makes me ashamed of being a fan of his smh.

 

 
 
 
 

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gblocker2 months ago
Fuck First
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dooflinky2 months ago
nigga said he ashamed of being a lil wayne fan? kill……..your……..self!
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betyalyfe2 months ago
yea i was disappointed in both
fabs album wasnt bad, it was just reallyyy disappointing
i wanted some street on the album, but the only song that was really fitting with the theme except is “the way” (like the 1st or 2nd track)
as for jay…smh i just dont know what to say..the shit is terrible (and im a huge jay fan) but i know good music and dont dickride..jays album sucks unless ur a techno pop fan, sorry
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getatchyaneckyo2 months ago
Well first of all most people seem to think only rapper’s can make classic album… well Singer’s and Hip-Hop artist’s can make classic album’s too. All of R. Kelly’s album were classic and all of Michael Jackson’s album’s were a classic. NO ONE out right now is doing it hotter than fab with the rapper/singer collabo’s. i mean yeah he didn’t stay on task with the CONCEPT but let’s be serious HALF the people that bought the album didn’t even know it was supposed to be based off Carlito’s Way. And no im not calling it a classic but it damn sure was a hell of a fuckin’ album.

And as for Hov, yeah he’s disappointed me he has WAY more potential and he should be going all out to show nigga’s that HOV is still on top but some track’s is sarting to make me lean OFF this nigga, not completely. I dont hate any of the track’s i think they were all hot but too… modernized, get me? There’s nothing wrong with being current but there’s also nothing wrong with rapping to those back then cool vibe type of beat’s. Like look at Kid Cudi he make’s hot shit and all he does is spit to slow nice vibe kinda beat’s. BUT those Timbo productions have thrown me off… As of right now i dont know what else to say but that they really are leaning on the lazy side, they got cake theres no competition why you think it’s “Collabo’s Gone Wild” in HipHop right now…

M y 2 C e n t s .
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slaughterh0use2 months ago
I agree with this for the most part.
Take for example Nas, Illmatic = classic.
Verses not by him? 1!
Oh and btw, Loso’s way being classic = fail.
It was decent, but it wasn’t even average, nonetheless, CLASSIC.
GOOD BLOG.
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assholebynature2 months ago
What happened to the blog you posted LyricalThought ,“Boo Boo Calls Out The Police”?
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phreshbreath2 months ago
cosign this blog
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critikal2 months ago
I agree with this blog 100 percent… it’s like they try to be too commercial like every single song and yeah it’s nice but they don’t make songs that are gunna last years like there is songs on certain albums that when I get into a certain mood I wanna go back and listen to it… but all these pop joints are easy to forget since it’s so easy for you to run into another one on the radio
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regulator2 months ago
word same shit wit 50 cent.. him and jay especially are at that point where its all about “hits” instead of just makin that music that got them there.. its like they try too hard and it coems out worse than if they just went in and spit some verses.. and as for fab this is exactly what i epxected from him.. if it aint a mixtape song hes doin some girly bitch shit.. but the sad part is he still didnt sell after ruinin his album wit the r&b.. its hard for me to even call that a rap cd..
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mudkipz2 months ago
well if you dont want collabs by and R&B a;bum they normally have like 3 max
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yankeesfan42472 months ago
Lyrical, I was going to give ya props but then I read this:

“but how dare you name this album the Blueprint, then when the tracklist is released, all I see are features.”

Blueprint 2: The Gift & The Curse got features out the ass.

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bw1002 months ago
Real talk check out J murph on datpiff.com chicago takover , that mixtape is FIRE!!!!!!!!!!
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proudbirdman102 months ago
how can you even mention losos way being a classic are you kiddin me
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phillyrap422 months ago
yea losos way wasnt that good at all, i was disappointed
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electrog2 months ago
A ‘Classic’ means that the ppl 50 years from now will remember the album……

i HIGHLY doubt Loso’s way is a classic….


Marshall Mathers LP – Classic

Loso’s way is not at MMLP’s level
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assholebynature2 months ago
What are you saying people won’t wanna throw it in the bag?
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jbarz2 months ago
^ lol
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legacy2252 months ago
yea there was like 2 good tracks on it, everything else is radio trash.
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ypcthedon2 months ago
Tru but i dnt think Fab album was wack it was great in my eyes
an hov does it really matter even with collaberations its still gunna be great
i rather hear these two then lil wayne
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ypcthedon2 months ago
i meenn fab album wasnt wack
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kelloggz2 months ago
i feel ya man, everything seems to be doing circles right now, but a few people still being creative in the game..
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thugzboy2 months ago
blueprint and reasonable doubt will always be jay best albums
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regulator2 months ago
u said it^^ and u can throw black album up there too.. i aitn a big jay fan like that— i think hes so overrated.. but those cds are fire especially resaonable doubt..
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jdizz2 months ago
Who cares because this blog wont change shit.
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kelloggz2 months ago
i wana see that lil wayne blog lol i feel the same way lol
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gblocker2 months ago
I thought Loso’s Way only had 16 tracks on it ?…….Atleast the one i bought did but You trippin’ that Loso’s Way some fire shit it don’t have all tha gangsta tracks but hell what Fab album does and on top of that with Fab this shit really is Deeper than rap .That boy tha truth in the streets (What i hear of course)Along with Styles p and Hell Rell ..But alot of his collabo’s was just hooks even all Jay did on Loso’s Way was just do a repetitive hook I loved the whole album but i want my other 3 songs since you said that it had 19 now that movie was bullshit he could have saved that money but hell to each his own now I can’t really speak on Blueprint3 but i can say that nowdays in Hip Hop the record companies feel as if the more “Hot Artists”are on your album themore it will sell which is a bad move and waste of money cause Plies and 50 cent do good numbers without any collabos!!!But it’s just times are changing and so is the music!!
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phillyrap422 months ago
no one gives a fuck what this dude says, ur reviews for albums are always shit anyway, ik its an opinon but u give albums some weird ass ratings and when u compare all ur ratings together they blow. So with that being said this is the rebuttle to this blog, EVERYONE HAS THERE OWN DAMN OPINON STOP BITHCIN

i wanna see ur wayne shit tho to see what u think, cause i got alot to say about that dude
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shade2 months ago
The over use of collaborations does make me sick. There is no such thing as a solo album, in terms of mainstream anyway. As far as The Blueprint 3, 4 of the artists he has featured are his label mates, or signees (J. Cole, Kanye, Rihanna, and Mr. Hudson is signed to G.O.O.D music.) The other features are just there, I don’t really know why, but they are. Either way, BP3 of Loso’s Way can be labeled as classics, but they are both great CDs nonetheless.
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trunksmxc2 months ago
You’re absolutely right but you’re wasting your breath. Rap was built on the necessity to collaborate, but now that they have the ability to do it on their own, rappers choose to skip writing an extra verse & grab someone else to keep it hot for them. It makes money so it’s not going to stop.
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houston2 months ago
WTF Houston rappers aint never dumb, dull and lazy dey run the south side, dey drop classics every day same for G-unit they always going be the shit
Jay-z BP3 gonaa b hot
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dedication32 months ago
To answer your question. It isn’t just you. I think the reason rappers are getting lazier and lazier, is the fact that they get paid regardless. Jay Z is going to get paid like hell for Blueprint III and I’m sure Fab is sitting nice after Loso’s Way. The same reason Lil Wayne is making Rebirth. He doesn’t necessarily have to make it sound good because he has such a fan base, he knows it’s going to sell regardless. Now this doesn’t mean they are “dumb”, it’s just the way things are right now. 50 Cent is like one of the richest rappers of this year and he hasn’t even done much (yet). It’s just like #1 picks in sports. They get ALL this guaranteed money and they get a little too confident and don’t produce. One more example. Players in the NFL (or any sport) who are playing in their contract year. The reason Albert Haynesworth was so nasty last year, because he was playing for that 100 Million dollar contract the Redskins gave him in the offseason. I think it’s all about money.
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sparkfirehot2 months ago
Really if the album has alot of collabo’s or not it still can be a classic. Just like you said on doggystyle or chornic and many other album’s that are classics,and jay-z already proved from time to time that he can make a hot classic album without collabo’s.
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mrscarecrow2 months ago
I don’t agree with this blog. I love collaborations, they often result in amazing songs, and they are a huge part of hip-hop.
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assholebynature2 months ago
Agreed look at “Forever”
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tez2 months ago
First off Albert Haynesworth is the nastiest d tackle in the game, secondly every mainstream artist is shit, so dont expect much. that includes weezy, em, jay, 50,…pretty much anyone on the radio. go listen to slaughterhouse, blackstar, doom or lupe if u want to hear some motivated artists. Jay dont even collab with his own ppl, thats how u know he a bitch. No Beenie, no bleek, no free, no cole, nobody except kanye.
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phillyrap422 months ago
coles on the album fuckhead, and yea besides that thats pretty weak
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sparkfirehot2 months ago
You kno why kayne? Because kayne was the only guy besides jay-z that went platium on roca fella and he did try to help beans but he kept on getting locked up and he try to help bleek but still couldn’t take the torch. So who do we have left? Hmmm how about kayne and he did sell alot of records,so i’m pass the torch to him.
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phillyrap422 months ago
yea man u do got a point with that, and prolly because kanye is iller than all of rocafella anyway haha
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93kjejde2 months ago
jay has collabs but there like chrorus’s the way of hip hops new process is lazy lyrics are getting mediocur to many people are doing the same thing and low class artists are getting signed the real rappers get looked down on the rappers that done it already are still big but the new process is get a r&b artist to do the hook and have not so great lyrics and put it on the radio only few respect the game and appriciate the artwork thats why hip hop is in a decrease not beacuse of the economy its cause the rapper doesnt want to be him or her anymore
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93kjejde2 months ago
theres actually been a brake and a new breach of hip hop and thats the new class its style gazes on creativity and lyrics look it drake,kid cudi,asher roth some critisize but at least they look at the artform
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domo2022 months ago
loso way was ass bp3 would be way better than that shit
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hennessey2 months ago
Ay I feel you, It does seem rappers are getting lazy but this shit been goin on for a while. Thats why I fuck with Eminem so much. He got five albums with less than 10 guest features and none of them are outside of his camp. And also I think Blueprint 3 is gonna be a let down if any thing im anticipating Kanye’s album more because the way he been spittin on this Jay Tracks.


“Too Many Rappers Not Enough Mc’s”
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dakush421nxtday2 months ago
word kanye rappin again so hes bout to make classic number 4
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cross5102 months ago
in my opinon collabarations are for radio,mainstream shit but that doesnt mean they dont turn out to be classics
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dakush421nxtday2 months ago
everybody complain that they dont want collaborations but then when jay z drops off that everybody complains that drake didnt even have a verse…

there should be 3-4 collabs most if you want a classic album unless you have 8 collabs that are on the level of rengade..patiently waiting…forgot about dre…brooklyns finest all classic songs
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sneakerfreak2 months ago
So many people have talked bad about the blueprint 3 album and many are riding the bandwagon. The album doesn’t suck! And Jay-Z aint taking food out your mouths cause more than half have downloaded it already for FREE. And you can Hate respond but I challenge you to do what he has done. It’s like a muthafucka sitting in the stands at a b-ball game trying to tell Phil Jackson how to coach.
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vanquisher2 months ago
preach brotha
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vanquisher2 months ago
both fab and jay booboo anyway y yu trippin
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somerville2 months ago
This is why I have respect for Relapse.
It only had 2 songs with features and Em did ALL the hooks himself.
He didn’t need that current “popular” R&B artist to do hooks for him.

There’s nothing wrong with rappers wanting to work with eachother, but they need to realize people buy THEIR CD’s for THEM. Not to hear other artists they may not care about.
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writer12 months ago
did anybody else notcie that he called jay z n fabo hes favourite rappers ???
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makaveli14902 months ago
I dont fuck with collabs like that either

But I rarely expect albums released these days to be classic. U wont see anymore classics seriously. And I mean the real definition of classic, that you can compare to previous undeniable classics. Not some shit thats better than whats out now

I see people hating on BP3. Thats cool. IMO, this is a great CD. Yes, A GREAT CD
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somerville2 months ago
nah, there can still be classics, but the problem is people expect them to be “classic” on the first listen, and if they are not, that means its “wack” or whatever.
Classics need time – that’s pretty much the definition of Classic.
Something that has valued over a period of time.
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njrock2 months ago
alright i agree with the too much collabo thing, especially since i made myself a top 400 rap songs of all time thingy not too long ago, and in the top 200, there are 1/4 collaborations

let me give you the list of songs that had features in the top 200

Changes by 2pac (featured Talent)
Stan by Eminem (featured Dido)
Aint Nothin But A G Thang by Dr Dre (featured Snoop Dogg)
Gin & Juice by Snoop Dogg (featured Daz)
I Got 5 On It (featured Michael Marshall)
One Day by UGK (featured Mr. 3-2 & Ronnie Spencer)
The Truth by Pharoahe Monch (featured Common & Talib Kweli)
Scenario by ATCQ (featured Leaders of the New School)
Walk this Way by Run-DMC (featured Aerosmith)
Sixth Sense by Common (featured Bilal)
All I Need by Method Man (featured Mary J Blige)
If I Ruled the World by Nas (featured Lauryn Hill)
What They Do by The Roots (featured Raphael Saadiq)
3 Card Molly by Xzibit (featured Ras Kass & Saafir)
Regulate by Warren G (featured Nate Dogg)
Mo Money Mo Problems by Biggie (featured Mase & Puffy)
Heard Em Say by Kanye West (featured Adam Levine)
Gangstas Paradise by Coolio (featured LV)
Daydreamin by Lupe Fiasco (featured Jill Scott)
Hip Hop Saved My Life by Lupe Fiasco (featured Nikki Jean)
Murder Was the Case by Snoop Dogg (featured Daz)
Worst Comes to Worst by Dilated Peoples (featured Guru)
4th Chamber by GZA (featured Killah Priest, RZA, & Ghostface Killah)
Hail Mary by 2Pac (featured Outlawz & Prince Ital Joe)
Woo Hah!! Got You All In Check by Busta Rhymes (featured Rampage)
Guns Are Drawn by The Roots (featured Aaron Livingston)
Hand of the Dead Body by Scarface (featured Devin the Dude & Ice Cube)
This DJ by Warren G (featured OGLB)
You Must Love Me by Jay-Z (featured Kelly Price)
In Between Us by Scarface (featured Nas & Tanya Herron)
Till I Collapse by Eminem (featured Nate Dogg)
All That I Got Is You by Ghostface Killah (featured Mary J Blige)
Rain by Chamillionaire (featured Billy Cook & Scarface)
This Cant Be Life by Jay-Z (featured Beanie Sigel & Scarface)
Retrospective for Life by Common (featured Lauryn Hill)
La Di Da Di by Doug E Fresh (featured Slick Rick)
Why by Jadakiss (featured Anthony Hamilton)
Endangered Species by Ice Cube (featured Chuck D)
Twinz by Big Pun (featured Fat Joe)
Duel of the Iron Mic by GZA (featured Masta Killa, Inspectah Deck, & Ol’ Dirty Bastard)
Death is Certain II by Royce da 5’9" (featured )
You Got Me by The Roots (featured Eve & Erykah Badu)
The Life by Styles P (featured Pharoahe Monch)
Victory by Puffy (featured Biggie & Busta Rhymes)
Around My Way by Talib Kweli (featured John Legend)
Little Weapon by Lupe Fiasco (featured Bishop G & Nikki Jean)
My Downfall by Biggie (featured DMC)
The People by Common (featured Dwele)
The Next Episode by Dr. Dre (featured Snoop Dogg & Nate Dogg)
He Got Game by Public Enemy (featured Stephen Stills)
The World is a Ghetto by Geto Boys (featured Flaj)

sorry that i listed this, but im extensive, and it gives a good look at the pluses of collaboration
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murderinc2 months ago
what about Vato

that was a chilling " Chain Robbery " Story
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njrock2 months ago
not really up there
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writer12 months ago
^^ needs a chick asap
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njrock2 months ago
cool.
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dboi072 months ago
Un-Fucking-believable… SMH… Loso’s Way was Ah Great Album… 9/10!!! But Its Wazent Bcuz Of Tha collabo’s that stopped it frm being Great!!! Wat Do U Want Fab Ta Sing His Damn Self??? Than Yall Say He sux He On Dat T-Pain… He Did Miss Tha Concept Part But He Stuck Ta Wat Got em’ to where he is Now!!! SO Wat… He Dndt have his own hooks thats where tha collabo’s came in at!!! and on all tha collabo’s wit tha rappers Fab killed Each And Every Last One Of Them!!!! “As for Fab, he is my favorite rapper” Boi I Otta Buust Yo Head To Da White Meat… j/k but Lyricalthought u did wat fab did i guess… aim fo one thang and shot ur self!!!!
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murderinc2 months ago
" That Hov is by far my favorite rapper "

" As for Fab, he is my favorite rapper "

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lol , I think mister Lyrical have lost in his own Thoughts !!!
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king1gangsta2 months ago
nah they not gettin lazy
you just not into rap music anymore
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cychrues2 months ago
It’s not getting lazy. they’re just adding features that will get them sales. Fabolous, jay-z, t.i., young jeezy ALL of them industry rappers are hustlers like they say in the songs. They just want the money out of it, so they just grab an rnb singer that the kids like and have them on their album. I consider that selling out, but fans (usually the kids who are under 18 years old) will defends their favorite rapper ignorantly and say they only getting hotter, gtfo. Thats the problem now a days, too many internet yesmen for these shitty industry niggas. The fucking media is brainwashing these niggaz to like this ignorant simplistic ass hip hop that you hear on the radio and most internet sites. Like seriously man, im not even a hater, but I know i speak for ALOT of niggas about this. I’m not even get into a full lecture about this, coz you internet niggaz wont give a fuck and still overhype your Drake shit. it seems like rappers dont even have fans nowadays, seems like these niggaz are paid to talk good about a mab.


p.s loso’s way was a shit album, made for females.. nigga doesnt even make his own music nomore…

n im sure bp3 will disapoint and will be aimed torward the teen market, like everything else
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xent122 months ago
I agree, a ceratin amount of collabs can improve your album, especially when you are all on the same page because you can all give different takes on the same subject. But alot of albums these days are going overboard.
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sthamogul2 months ago
Features = more sales because you are inviting a different fan base to your album.

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njrock2 months ago
damn couldnt have said it better
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paullie102 months ago
BP3 is a collabo album cause the whole album was written by Kano
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n3v3rfke2 months ago
jay doesnt have another classic in him jus let it go he’s 40 and his shit is still tight
thats enough for me he gave us enough already
fab completely fucked Loso’s Way up by doin wat he always does….sell out
its sad too cuz fab has skills but hes too stuck on making weak ass mainstream shit
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majik2 months ago
Damn…that’s crazy…If ya name wasn’t on the blog on who wrote it, I woulda swore I wrote this ish, real talk…I agree 100% with what you said about these albums…
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username322862 months ago
blueprint 3 is the blueprint for albums out today…thats why he has collabos..
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hiphopisback2 months ago
I have an answer for you. Ask yourself what anything and everything boils down to when most people think of success. MONEY. These rappers could really careless if their album is a classic, they will do ANYTHING that sells. They’re making music for the mainstream commercial listener. They’re making music for money. They know that’s where most of the money will come from (simply because there are more commercial listeners than true hip hop heads). It’s hard to grip the facts, but it’s the truth.

See, you will notice that features are important in the mainstream listeners mind. They see common artist feature names (such as T-Pain) as an accomplishment for the artist’s album. Jay-Z knows that as he gets older he needs to still captivate the larger (mainstream) audience. He does this by getting the next best thing in the mainstream’s eyes (let’s just say, Rihanna) on his album.
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scrillstar2 months ago
How many favorite rappers do you have? You said Hov is def your favorite rapper with Joe Budden a close second and then you say Loso IS my favorite rapper?

smh
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peake152 months ago
I agree wit u, my dude bout to drop a mixtape in a couple of days. Imma let u get a copy so u can see how he do and tell me if its cool. But yea rappers are gettin lazy thats why niggas need to expand their vocabulary and shit.
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